there's no way that a 29-year-old living at the national security agency thought through three dimensional chess at the level we're playing today. >> if the situation was reversed and there was an official from chinese intelligence or the russian security services who had information and was in the u.s., the u.s. would want to hold on to that person. >> i would take a step beyond what you just said. if i'm sitting in a room at cia or fbi and someone says there's a chinese intelligence official who wants to talk to us or russian intelligence official and moscow is asking him back, i would do two things. number one, what is hard drive, thumb drive, his phone and download it. talk to him, and then third, tell the russians or chinese, he's not going home right now. there's no way we would take a different position. >> phil, thank you. >>> just ahead, the supreme court issued its ruling in the baby veronica trial. we'll talk to the parents just ahead. >>> also, what was going through nik wallenda's mind when he was walking across the grand canyon on a two-inch cable? that's next. hey kevin...st